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		<title>By: Mr. Sandman</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/sandmanssandbox/2006/12/07/post-tent-city-ipsac-unveils-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Joseph-- long time no &quot;see&quot;... what do you mean by &quot;have to say?&quot; *grin* It sounds like you&#039;re admitting agreement despite not wanting to, or something similar...

I&#039;m not sure Gallaudet would lose endowments- perhaps you could explain further why you think this is the case? Right now, Gallaudet promotes itself as a &quot;big tent&quot; for all kinds of deaf students (at least this was the line Jordan and Fernandes promoted!), and Gallaudet, through its graduate programs, has supported research on deafness in areas that are rather diverse. So Gallaudet could very well support changes in one type/form of deaf education, yet still maintain funding related to different types of education, etc., on the grounds that it&#039;s working to improve deaf education across the board (which I think it should do anyway).

Where I see a need is that too many students enter Gallaudet (or expect to go to Gallaudet) unprepared for college at a fairly fundamental level. Gallaudet can tighten its own admission standards, keep them the same, or even loosen them a bit more (although perhaps maybe not-- they&#039;re pretty loose as it is, I think, and probably bumping against certain minimal standards now...), but the problems in K-12 programs will still remain, regardless. By working to improve K-12 programs, Gallaudet can help deaf students across the board, whether they choose to go to Gallaudet or not. For educators, Gallaudet, and the community, going to the root of the problem will be a far more long-lasting solution than any short-term fix on campus that people might dream up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Joseph&#8211; long time no &#8220;see&#8221;&#8230; what do you mean by &#8220;have to say?&#8221; *grin* It sounds like you&#8217;re admitting agreement despite not wanting to, or something similar&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure Gallaudet would lose endowments- perhaps you could explain further why you think this is the case? Right now, Gallaudet promotes itself as a &#8220;big tent&#8221; for all kinds of deaf students (at least this was the line Jordan and Fernandes promoted!), and Gallaudet, through its graduate programs, has supported research on deafness in areas that are rather diverse. So Gallaudet could very well support changes in one type/form of deaf education, yet still maintain funding related to different types of education, etc., on the grounds that it&#8217;s working to improve deaf education across the board (which I think it should do anyway).</p>
<p>Where I see a need is that too many students enter Gallaudet (or expect to go to Gallaudet) unprepared for college at a fairly fundamental level. Gallaudet can tighten its own admission standards, keep them the same, or even loosen them a bit more (although perhaps maybe not&#8211; they&#8217;re pretty loose as it is, I think, and probably bumping against certain minimal standards now&#8230;), but the problems in K-12 programs will still remain, regardless. By working to improve K-12 programs, Gallaudet can help deaf students across the board, whether they choose to go to Gallaudet or not. For educators, Gallaudet, and the community, going to the root of the problem will be a far more long-lasting solution than any short-term fix on campus that people might dream up.</p>
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		<title>By: joseph rainmound</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph rainmound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sandman - I have to say I like your idea of Gallaudet taking leadership. To do that the University would first have to make a decision of some kind based on research about what is good for Deaf education, and I bet they&#039;d lose endowments for preferring one way over another - no matter how much research supports their decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sandman &#8211; I have to say I like your idea of Gallaudet taking leadership. To do that the University would first have to make a decision of some kind based on research about what is good for Deaf education, and I bet they&#8217;d lose endowments for preferring one way over another &#8211; no matter how much research supports their decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sandman</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/sandmanssandbox/2006/12/07/post-tent-city-ipsac-unveils-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TouchÃ©, Juan. *grin* You&#039;re absolutely correct. I do agree. I guess one of my (narrow?) focuses during the whole protest was perception, both internal and external. While I kept hearing raves about how the protest was being conducted on the ground (and I have no reason to doubt my sources!), it was clear to me and many, many others that the PR war outside of campus was disastrous. As you can see from some of the comments on my blog alone, there are still people ready to stand up and denounce even this process as a validation of &quot;Not deaf enough.&quot; 

However, as you know by now, that fear is moot: Dr. Davila is the next president. 

(Meryl: I too decided to withhold an endorsement, for many reasons. However, I look forward to seeing what Dr. Davila has planned, and I hope he can successfully address crucial issues, such as those I listed in this post. We&#039;ll see...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TouchÃ©, Juan. *grin* You&#8217;re absolutely correct. I do agree. I guess one of my (narrow?) focuses during the whole protest was perception, both internal and external. While I kept hearing raves about how the protest was being conducted on the ground (and I have no reason to doubt my sources!), it was clear to me and many, many others that the PR war outside of campus was disastrous. As you can see from some of the comments on my blog alone, there are still people ready to stand up and denounce even this process as a validation of &#8220;Not deaf enough.&#8221; </p>
<p>However, as you know by now, that fear is moot: Dr. Davila is the next president. </p>
<p>(Meryl: I too decided to withhold an endorsement, for many reasons. However, I look forward to seeing what Dr. Davila has planned, and I hope he can successfully address crucial issues, such as those I listed in this post. We&#8217;ll see&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/sandmanssandbox/2006/12/07/post-tent-city-ipsac-unveils-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not committed to any candidate as I don&#039;t know enough to make an announcement supporting someone. Besides, I didn&#039;t grow up in the right culture to justify an opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not committed to any candidate as I don&#8217;t know enough to make an announcement supporting someone. Besides, I didn&#8217;t grow up in the right culture to justify an opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/sandmanssandbox/2006/12/07/post-tent-city-ipsac-unveils-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 02:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious once again that the protest was about &quot;Not Deaf Enough&quot;. Will someone finallyadmit it so we can move on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious once again that the protest was about &#8220;Not Deaf Enough&#8221;. Will someone finallyadmit it so we can move on!</p>
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		<title>By: Juan A. Vietorisz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan A. Vietorisz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Mr. Sandman!

I like your proposed laundry list.  

Regarding Dr. Marshall&#039;s limited ASL skills, I think your concern that we would be revisiting the &quot;Not Deaf Enough&quot; notion by calling attention to his inadequate signing skills is moot.  After all, one of the job requirements for the Interim President is fluency in BOTH ASL and written English. The degree of a candidate&#039;s &quot;cultural Deafness&quot; is entirely beside the point. Suppose we have a candidate who signs fluently in ASL, but does not read and write English at a satisfactory level of competence, we would instantly say that candidate is unacceptable. The same should go for any candidate who writes brilliantly, yet signs poorly. We are not discriminating. Dr. Marshall just doesn&#039;t satisfactorily meet one of the job requirements.   

Don&#039;t you agree, Mr. Sandman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Mr. Sandman!</p>
<p>I like your proposed laundry list.  </p>
<p>Regarding Dr. Marshall&#8217;s limited ASL skills, I think your concern that we would be revisiting the &#8220;Not Deaf Enough&#8221; notion by calling attention to his inadequate signing skills is moot.  After all, one of the job requirements for the Interim President is fluency in BOTH ASL and written English. The degree of a candidate&#8217;s &#8220;cultural Deafness&#8221; is entirely beside the point. Suppose we have a candidate who signs fluently in ASL, but does not read and write English at a satisfactory level of competence, we would instantly say that candidate is unacceptable. The same should go for any candidate who writes brilliantly, yet signs poorly. We are not discriminating. Dr. Marshall just doesn&#8217;t satisfactorily meet one of the job requirements.   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you agree, Mr. Sandman?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sandman</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/sandmanssandbox/2006/12/07/post-tent-city-ipsac-unveils-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi- a couple of clarifications. I supported the protest, to an extent. From what little I know of Deafhood (still reading the book!), I support the general concept, but I&#039;m disappointed it got so bound up and intertwined with the protest to the extent that it did. I hope people can read the book and explore the concepts within on their own merits. 

I strongly think that Gallaudet needs to reaffirm through *both* words and actions its commitment to ASL, not just pay lip service. This is one of the reasons I think an overhaul of DOSS/DPS is warranted. 

As for the &quot;identical&quot; pool, I wouldn&#039;t say it was identical, and it&#039;s difficult to know just how similar the process is without knowing for sure who applied. Last time there were 24 applicants, 21 of whom were deaf. This time there were, I believe, 13. That&#039;s a smaller number, and some of the same people obviously applied twice. A smaller pool, a similar cast of characters, etc., and you&#039;re going to wind up with a similar choice of finalists, regardless of whether IPSAC and others wanted different people.

Carl, I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re disappointed in Steve Weiner. As you may know from my earlier posts, he was my compromise choice the first time around. I wouldn&#039;t give up hope yet-- there have been cases at other universities where the interim president becomes the permanent president after demonstrating their value in the job. Even though right now the interim president is bound by an 18-24 month period, that could very well change.

I&#039;m a little disappointed not because of your views; I too agree Marshall has sub-par signing abilities. Where I&#039;m concerned is that by calling attention to that, we risk dragging the bogeyman of &quot;Not Deaf Enough!&quot; out again, and that could skewer other critcisms and obvious flaws of candidates. Since this is the interim position, and the community is desperately in need of new leadership, and all three have good qualifications across the board, I&#039;ve chosen not to endorse any of them and not to dismiss any of them. Rather, I&#039;d hope they pay attention to lists like mine, and see if they can put Gallaudet back on course again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi- a couple of clarifications. I supported the protest, to an extent. From what little I know of Deafhood (still reading the book!), I support the general concept, but I&#8217;m disappointed it got so bound up and intertwined with the protest to the extent that it did. I hope people can read the book and explore the concepts within on their own merits. </p>
<p>I strongly think that Gallaudet needs to reaffirm through *both* words and actions its commitment to ASL, not just pay lip service. This is one of the reasons I think an overhaul of DOSS/DPS is warranted. </p>
<p>As for the &#8220;identical&#8221; pool, I wouldn&#8217;t say it was identical, and it&#8217;s difficult to know just how similar the process is without knowing for sure who applied. Last time there were 24 applicants, 21 of whom were deaf. This time there were, I believe, 13. That&#8217;s a smaller number, and some of the same people obviously applied twice. A smaller pool, a similar cast of characters, etc., and you&#8217;re going to wind up with a similar choice of finalists, regardless of whether IPSAC and others wanted different people.</p>
<p>Carl, I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re disappointed in Steve Weiner. As you may know from my earlier posts, he was my compromise choice the first time around. I wouldn&#8217;t give up hope yet&#8211; there have been cases at other universities where the interim president becomes the permanent president after demonstrating their value in the job. Even though right now the interim president is bound by an 18-24 month period, that could very well change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little disappointed not because of your views; I too agree Marshall has sub-par signing abilities. Where I&#8217;m concerned is that by calling attention to that, we risk dragging the bogeyman of &#8220;Not Deaf Enough!&#8221; out again, and that could skewer other critcisms and obvious flaws of candidates. Since this is the interim position, and the community is desperately in need of new leadership, and all three have good qualifications across the board, I&#8217;ve chosen not to endorse any of them and not to dismiss any of them. Rather, I&#8217;d hope they pay attention to lists like mine, and see if they can put Gallaudet back on course again.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Schroededr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Schroededr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having known Stephen Weiner for many years, since our YLC days in Pengilly, Minnesota, I must admit to be extremely disappointed to discover that he&#039;s being considered for an interim position. Gallaudet University makes it clear to us all that Interim President CANNOT apply for a full presidency. I believe rather firmly that Stephen Weiner would lead and nurture both Deaf scholars and ASL into the 21st century. He may have his reasons that I don&#039;t know.
BTW, I am sorry if you&#039;re a little disappointed in me.
Mahalo with aloha, Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having known Stephen Weiner for many years, since our YLC days in Pengilly, Minnesota, I must admit to be extremely disappointed to discover that he&#8217;s being considered for an interim position. Gallaudet University makes it clear to us all that Interim President CANNOT apply for a full presidency. I believe rather firmly that Stephen Weiner would lead and nurture both Deaf scholars and ASL into the 21st century. He may have his reasons that I don&#8217;t know.<br />
BTW, I am sorry if you&#8217;re a little disappointed in me.<br />
Mahalo with aloha, Carl</p>
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		<title>By: rjstj13</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjstj13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And richard-whats even more amazing is that we have survive thru the months of cancelation of Home Coming, the arrested of protesters, the lies of the IKJ administration, the refusal of the IKJ  people to share the Alumni database (with the Alumni Association, of all people!)etc.etc.  Wow..gee whiz! Amazing!

Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And richard-whats even more amazing is that we have survive thru the months of cancelation of Home Coming, the arrested of protesters, the lies of the IKJ administration, the refusal of the IKJ  people to share the Alumni database (with the Alumni Association, of all people!)etc.etc.  Wow..gee whiz! Amazing!</p>
<p>Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00</p>
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		<title>By: rjstj13</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjstj13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ment - I agree with you Mr. Sandman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ment &#8211; I agree with you Mr. Sandman.</p>
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