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	<title>Comments on: Dark Side of Cochlear Implants in 1980’s and 1990’s</title>
	<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/</link>
	<description>Endless Pondering</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mishka Zena</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-62280</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishka Zena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, your daughter was one of the fortunate group. I am glad it worked for her. 

I am not sure what you mean by ignorance. This is an informative blog covering both the positive and negative aspects of a device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, your daughter was one of the fortunate group. I am glad it worked for her. </p>
<p>I am not sure what you mean by ignorance. This is an informative blog covering both the positive and negative aspects of a device.</p>
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		<title>By: sunny</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-62278</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people died when vaccines  were first put in place, when heart surgery was first performed, when the first antibiotics were tried and the list goes on and on and on.  the people who were implanted agreed to be implanted and knew all the risks.  my daughter was one of them.  she was 11 and could not speak ... now she's 22 and can because of her implant. she can go into the deaf world when she wants and out intp the hearing world when she wants or needs to.  interestlingly enough, her deaf friends rely on her communication skills in restaurants, in stores at the bank etc.  glasses aren't a sin.  braces aren't a sin....ignorance is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people died when vaccines  were first put in place, when heart surgery was first performed, when the first antibiotics were tried and the list goes on and on and on.  the people who were implanted agreed to be implanted and knew all the risks.  my daughter was one of them.  she was 11 and could not speak &#8230; now she&#8217;s 22 and can because of her implant. she can go into the deaf world when she wants and out intp the hearing world when she wants or needs to.  interestlingly enough, her deaf friends rely on her communication skills in restaurants, in stores at the bank etc.  glasses aren&#8217;t a sin.  braces aren&#8217;t a sin&#8230;.ignorance is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Myers</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-61901</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you deaf guys depend on hearing for making living duhh!!! how about depend on Deaf to make living? seem no empowerment from Deaf adults to make living? why depend on hearing for make living? where is our Deaf Pride!. so hearing ppls have eyes can learn our Language and join our Pride. we can't join their pride like they have!. who's have rights? Parent or Deaf child? how about Deaf adults? Parent only have right for 18 years most of them not know sign language and then why they can't learn sign language and have rights to make us to learn speech? we live longer than parent's rights. most of them want to be Deaf Pride. so think about your future who is rights and pride? live longer than 18 yrs! so you don't want live short? so which best for your live? it your choice which pride for Deaf or a little h?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you deaf guys depend on hearing for making living duhh!!! how about depend on Deaf to make living? seem no empowerment from Deaf adults to make living? why depend on hearing for make living? where is our Deaf Pride!. so hearing ppls have eyes can learn our Language and join our Pride. we can&#8217;t join their pride like they have!. who&#8217;s have rights? Parent or Deaf child? how about Deaf adults? Parent only have right for 18 years most of them not know sign language and then why they can&#8217;t learn sign language and have rights to make us to learn speech? we live longer than parent&#8217;s rights. most of them want to be Deaf Pride. so think about your future who is rights and pride? live longer than 18 yrs! so you don&#8217;t want live short? so which best for your live? it your choice which pride for Deaf or a little h?</p>
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		<title>By: Deafhood: Hypocrite Religion &#124; Paotie&#8217;s Green Couch &#124; Crumblings of Things</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-61574</link>
		<dc:creator>Deafhood: Hypocrite Religion &#124; Paotie&#8217;s Green Couch &#124; Crumblings of Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unceremonious eviction from Deaf Culture, she was back at a Deafhood/DeafRead editor&#8217;s blog, equating CIs with AG Bell Foundation because the best way solidify your status on DeafSide is to simply reject cochlear implants - even [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] unceremonious eviction from Deaf Culture, she was back at a Deafhood/DeafRead editor&#8217;s blog, equating CIs with AG Bell Foundation because the best way solidify your status on DeafSide is to simply reject cochlear implants - even [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: IamMine</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-61569</link>
		<dc:creator>IamMine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Melissa...but what about those who have been affected by the implant itself?

They do feel it and do not want it there anymore. It bothers them and they want it out. Some even have health issues because of it.

I didn't go into details on that one CI woman I explained in one of my comments up there.

There were witnesses with her at the meeting including interpreters who have worked with her personally.

She explained how ill she was with her implant and how she never felt like this prior to her CI and tried to have her doctor take it out. He insisted on replacing it with a new one and she said she didn't want it. He then went on to say that her illness had nothing to do with the implant, that it was something else. She fought her doctor and about a year later, they finally caved in.

They removed it and she regained her health 100 percent. 

Her friend, as I've mentioned up there, has a CI and enjoys it very much. Those two are still close friends.

This doctor she had was pushy and the other one whose doctor was more neutral.

There are different types of doctors that MZ is referring to.

That's why I offered a solution of an advocacy group for those who really want them removed and doctors/insurance should honor their requests and cover for those costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Melissa&#8230;but what about those who have been affected by the implant itself?</p>
<p>They do feel it and do not want it there anymore. It bothers them and they want it out. Some even have health issues because of it.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t go into details on that one CI woman I explained in one of my comments up there.</p>
<p>There were witnesses with her at the meeting including interpreters who have worked with her personally.</p>
<p>She explained how ill she was with her implant and how she never felt like this prior to her CI and tried to have her doctor take it out. He insisted on replacing it with a new one and she said she didn&#8217;t want it. He then went on to say that her illness had nothing to do with the implant, that it was something else. She fought her doctor and about a year later, they finally caved in.</p>
<p>They removed it and she regained her health 100 percent. </p>
<p>Her friend, as I&#8217;ve mentioned up there, has a CI and enjoys it very much. Those two are still close friends.</p>
<p>This doctor she had was pushy and the other one whose doctor was more neutral.</p>
<p>There are different types of doctors that MZ is referring to.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I offered a solution of an advocacy group for those who really want them removed and doctors/insurance should honor their requests and cover for those costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-61568</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My suggestions would depend upon whether or not they still want to try to use their CI.  If they do, then an audiologist who is experienced in the particular brand of implant that the person has is critical.  Also, early on none of the professionals knew what to do for those implanted later in terms of auditory training.  However, this is a growing field, and I have read many adults on the adult listservs talking about what they are doing to learn to use their CI hearing.  While these people who were implanted at later ages will likely never achieve the level of auditory comprehension that those implanted as babies and toddlers do, they can still improve if they desire to.  Many audiologists as well as the implant manufacturers now have resources for these people, whereas 20 years ago what was needed was not understood, and, even when it was, the resources weren't there.

If the user no longer wants to use the CI, then I would just take off the processor.  If they have found their place in life in the deaf culture, then that is what has worked for them.  

I think that the issue is what the expectations are.  If those implanted at older ages understand that they are not going to be able to comprehend speech through their CI hearing alone but still want to benefit, then most can.  What is different now is that expectations for specific situations are better understood.  So, I would say to start with realistic expectations and, if the user ends up with more, then great, but if they meet realistic expectations, then that is also fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suggestions would depend upon whether or not they still want to try to use their CI.  If they do, then an audiologist who is experienced in the particular brand of implant that the person has is critical.  Also, early on none of the professionals knew what to do for those implanted later in terms of auditory training.  However, this is a growing field, and I have read many adults on the adult listservs talking about what they are doing to learn to use their CI hearing.  While these people who were implanted at later ages will likely never achieve the level of auditory comprehension that those implanted as babies and toddlers do, they can still improve if they desire to.  Many audiologists as well as the implant manufacturers now have resources for these people, whereas 20 years ago what was needed was not understood, and, even when it was, the resources weren&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>If the user no longer wants to use the CI, then I would just take off the processor.  If they have found their place in life in the deaf culture, then that is what has worked for them.  </p>
<p>I think that the issue is what the expectations are.  If those implanted at older ages understand that they are not going to be able to comprehend speech through their CI hearing alone but still want to benefit, then most can.  What is different now is that expectations for specific situations are better understood.  So, I would say to start with realistic expectations and, if the user ends up with more, then great, but if they meet realistic expectations, then that is also fine.</p>
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		<title>By: IamMine</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-61567</link>
		<dc:creator>IamMine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand, Melissa.

But we were talking about how some really suffered from it and what bothered me is how some dismissed them.

Rather than trying to come up with a solution to help them out, people jumped in and saying well I am successful back then... MZ is aware of some successful CI users and I know of one who was also one of the early implantees (she was older with progressive hearing loss, though) and she is happy with it. She eventually upgraded to newer models and she loves it.

However, this does not mean we should ignore those who really had suffered and they need help.

Do you have any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand, Melissa.</p>
<p>But we were talking about how some really suffered from it and what bothered me is how some dismissed them.</p>
<p>Rather than trying to come up with a solution to help them out, people jumped in and saying well I am successful back then&#8230; MZ is aware of some successful CI users and I know of one who was also one of the early implantees (she was older with progressive hearing loss, though) and she is happy with it. She eventually upgraded to newer models and she loves it.</p>
<p>However, this does not mean we should ignore those who really had suffered and they need help.</p>
<p>Do you have any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Mishka Zena</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-61566</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishka Zena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa, 

Some parents have the same experiences like yours, being fully informed what they can expect realistically from the cochlear implants their deaf children. 

However, from talking to others, I discovered that not all doctors were ethical in describing the limitations of cochlear implants, especially in 1980's and 1990's.  These doctors painted a rosy picture which wasn't realistic, leading parents and their children to have unrealistically high expectations. 

Hence the title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa, </p>
<p>Some parents have the same experiences like yours, being fully informed what they can expect realistically from the cochlear implants their deaf children. </p>
<p>However, from talking to others, I discovered that not all doctors were ethical in describing the limitations of cochlear implants, especially in 1980&#8217;s and 1990&#8217;s.  These doctors painted a rosy picture which wasn&#8217;t realistic, leading parents and their children to have unrealistically high expectations. </p>
<p>Hence the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2008/04/28/dark-side-of-cochlear-implants-in-1980%e2%80%99s-and-1990%e2%80%99s/#comment-61562</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Rachel was implanted as part of the FDA clinical trials, the medical professionals made no promises.  In fact, they told us that the most they could guarantee was that she would hear environmental sounds.  They would not promise us that she would be able to understand speech through her hearing.  

I get greatly annoyed with this portrayal by the deaf community of the evil medical professionals, including the statements that they are all in it only for the money.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  We have worked with three different CI centers, two A-V centers and one private Cert. AVT over the past 21 years, and every single professional I've encountered has been in the field out of love and caring for the children.  They have all been warm and wonderful to both my girls and my husband and me.  Furthermore, none of them are getting rich off of CIs and AVT.  In fact, the opposite is true.  Many centers have CI programs that are operating at a loss because insurance and Medicaid reimbursements are so low.  When Rachel was reimplanted and simultaneously bilaterally implanted during an 8 hour surgery, the surgeon's bill was $4000.  Our insurance company only paid him $1800 for the bill.  

During the clinical trials for the CIs back in the 1980s, there were no medical professionals "manipulating" parents.  They were excited by the new promise of CIs but told parents like me very realistically what was involved and offered us no guarantees.  Some of us were then willing to take a leap of faith, and, in our case, I'm so very glad that we did.

Regardless of whether we agree on methodologies, CIs, etc., the one thing that has to stop is the unwarranted criticism of professionals.  If they are working with the children, then they are not in it for the money but, rather, are in it because they care and want to make a difference in the children's lives.  You can choose to disagree as to how they are going about it, but slandering their motives is immature and ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Rachel was implanted as part of the FDA clinical trials, the medical professionals made no promises.  In fact, they told us that the most they could guarantee was that she would hear environmental sounds.  They would not promise us that she would be able to understand speech through her hearing.  </p>
<p>I get greatly annoyed with this portrayal by the deaf community of the evil medical professionals, including the statements that they are all in it only for the money.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  We have worked with three different CI centers, two A-V centers and one private Cert. AVT over the past 21 years, and every single professional I&#8217;ve encountered has been in the field out of love and caring for the children.  They have all been warm and wonderful to both my girls and my husband and me.  Furthermore, none of them are getting rich off of CIs and AVT.  In fact, the opposite is true.  Many centers have CI programs that are operating at a loss because insurance and Medicaid reimbursements are so low.  When Rachel was reimplanted and simultaneously bilaterally implanted during an 8 hour surgery, the surgeon&#8217;s bill was $4000.  Our insurance company only paid him $1800 for the bill.  </p>
<p>During the clinical trials for the CIs back in the 1980s, there were no medical professionals &#8220;manipulating&#8221; parents.  They were excited by the new promise of CIs but told parents like me very realistically what was involved and offered us no guarantees.  Some of us were then willing to take a leap of faith, and, in our case, I&#8217;m so very glad that we did.</p>
<p>Regardless of whether we agree on methodologies, CIs, etc., the one thing that has to stop is the unwarranted criticism of professionals.  If they are working with the children, then they are not in it for the money but, rather, are in it because they care and want to make a difference in the children&#8217;s lives.  You can choose to disagree as to how they are going about it, but slandering their motives is immature and ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People don't seem to grasp that in many cases, the parents wanted the implant surgery, so the implantees were doubly victimized: having surgery they may not actually have desired, in order to please parents who were manipulated by the medical establishemt into thinking CI would be a panacea, Hippocratic Oath notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t seem to grasp that in many cases, the parents wanted the implant surgery, so the implantees were doubly victimized: having surgery they may not actually have desired, in order to please parents who were manipulated by the medical establishemt into thinking CI would be a panacea, Hippocratic Oath notwithstanding.</p>
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