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	<title>Comments on: Gallaudet Lawsuit: Not Deaf Enough</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kathy Robinson</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-63045</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I wonder if you could help me 

I have lost the email address of Karen Kimmel who is a friend of mine. Through her, I have visited Gallaudet and given a keynote speech about my book Children of Silence, at Rochester University

It is imperative I get in touch with her. If you don't like to give me her address, please forward this to her

Best wishes, Kathy (Robinson)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I wonder if you could help me </p>
<p>I have lost the email address of Karen Kimmel who is a friend of mine. Through her, I have visited Gallaudet and given a keynote speech about my book Children of Silence, at Rochester University</p>
<p>It is imperative I get in touch with her. If you don&#8217;t like to give me her address, please forward this to her</p>
<p>Best wishes, Kathy (Robinson)</p>
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		<title>By: Deaf258</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-26292</link>
		<dc:creator>Deaf258</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also had come to a realization.

Catlover was right when he/she was stating, "The major problem with most Deaf people is they are followers without thinking twice."

You're right, Catlover.  In the past, most Deaf people were following I. King Jordan and Jane Fernandes without thinking twice and accepting everything they do or say as it is until the past several years.

Wow.  Deaf people are actually starting to question motives and having bouts of critical thinking.  Viola!!  You're just outright pissed off Deaf people are capable of independent thinking and could not be fooled easily again by "your kind"!

You lost.  Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also had come to a realization.</p>
<p>Catlover was right when he/she was stating, &#8220;The major problem with most Deaf people is they are followers without thinking twice.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, Catlover.  In the past, most Deaf people were following I. King Jordan and Jane Fernandes without thinking twice and accepting everything they do or say as it is until the past several years.</p>
<p>Wow.  Deaf people are actually starting to question motives and having bouts of critical thinking.  Viola!!  You&#8217;re just outright pissed off Deaf people are capable of independent thinking and could not be fooled easily again by &#8220;your kind&#8221;!</p>
<p>You lost.  Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Deaf258</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-26291</link>
		<dc:creator>Deaf258</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go ahead, Catlover..

Do that and you'll be in the same category with Alexander Graham Bell!

Would that be a wise decision on your part?

Your previous comments have shown me that you're the "indecent" one here!

Plus, here's my 25Â¢, honey.  Make good use of that quarter, save up some more and buy yourself a brand, spankin' new dictionary!  After all, you'll need it the most when you write your book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go ahead, Catlover..</p>
<p>Do that and you&#8217;ll be in the same category with Alexander Graham Bell!</p>
<p>Would that be a wise decision on your part?</p>
<p>Your previous comments have shown me that you&#8217;re the &#8220;indecent&#8221; one here!</p>
<p>Plus, here&#8217;s my 25Â¢, honey.  Make good use of that quarter, save up some more and buy yourself a brand, spankin&#8217; new dictionary!  After all, you&#8217;ll need it the most when you write your book.</p>
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		<title>By: Catlover</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-26249</link>
		<dc:creator>Catlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason most Deaf do not believe people like Kimmel and me is they were never the victims. I am totally deaf and am fluent in ASL. The major problem with most Deaf people is they are followers without thinking twice. 
I watched one of vblogs about Deaf Culture. One very popular vblogger said it is Deaf Culture for Deaf people to peep into other's house after knocking. I would have asked him/her to get off my property and never to return. No decency in Deaf Culture.
I am thinking about writing a book about how undecent most Deaf people can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason most Deaf do not believe people like Kimmel and me is they were never the victims. I am totally deaf and am fluent in ASL. The major problem with most Deaf people is they are followers without thinking twice.<br />
I watched one of vblogs about Deaf Culture. One very popular vblogger said it is Deaf Culture for Deaf people to peep into other&#8217;s house after knocking. I would have asked him/her to get off my property and never to return. No decency in Deaf Culture.<br />
I am thinking about writing a book about how undecent most Deaf people can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-25882</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offline and online, some of the best people in the world that I have known were Deaf people.  Offline,..some of the biggest snobs that I've ever met were Deaf people!  However,..I've never met any "horrifying" Deaf people...online or offline.  

Some of the hearing people that I've met online and offline..were..another matter......!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offline and online, some of the best people in the world that I have known were Deaf people.  Offline,..some of the biggest snobs that I&#8217;ve ever met were Deaf people!  However,..I&#8217;ve never met any &#8220;horrifying&#8221; Deaf people&#8230;online or offline.  </p>
<p>Some of the hearing people that I&#8217;ve met online and offline..were..another matter&#8230;&#8230;!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catlover

Help yourself to testify at the court.  
                                                         
Doglover</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catlover</p>
<p>Help yourself to testify at the court.  </p>
<p>Doglover</p>
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		<title>By: IamMine</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-25834</link>
		<dc:creator>IamMine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Most" Deaf people, Catlover? I don't think so.

That is like when you are pregnant, you start to see more pregnant women.

Or buying a new car and you start seeing more cars like yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most&#8221; Deaf people, Catlover? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>That is like when you are pregnant, you start to see more pregnant women.</p>
<p>Or buying a new car and you start seeing more cars like yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Catlover</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-25832</link>
		<dc:creator>Catlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my experiences with Deaf people, I believe Fernandes' and Kimmel's claims are true and I would like to go to testifiy in the court about what how horrifying most Deaf people can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experiences with Deaf people, I believe Fernandes&#8217; and Kimmel&#8217;s claims are true and I would like to go to testifiy in the court about what how horrifying most Deaf people can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Riley</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-25785</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimmel doesn't believe the stuff in her own law suit, in my opinion.  This is clearly a desperation move on her part to try to shake down Gallaudet for a few dollars before her retirement, in my opinion.

This is a "Hail Mary pass" on Kimmel's part.  The only problem is that she has nobody to throw the ball to.  She's all alone on the field.

Check out the &lt;a href="http://www.gallyprotest.org/babbidge_committee_report_1965.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Babbidge Committee's report&lt;/a&gt; from 1965:

From page xxix (PDF page 26):

QUOTE

Those who favor the employment of manual methods are less likely [than those who favor the oral method] to be purists.  In fact, in the course of hundreds of discussions by the staff, not a single person was encountered who did not agree with the desirability of oral instruction for young deaf children.

UNQUOTE

In other words, the Babbidge Committee consulted educators of the deaf all over the country, including *Deaf* educators of the deaf.  NOT A SINGLE PERSON said that speech and hearing training is undesirable for deaf students, but it's simply a matter of putting it in proper perspective.

This means that Fernandes' and Kimmel's claim (alleging that Deaf culture is exclusionary and tribalistic) is sheer and utter nonsense.  If culturally Deaf people were tribalistic, they wouldn't be attending university in the first place!

Jordan NEVER used ASL and for many years he was made a into a secular diety.  Why would culturally Deaf people do that if they were exclusionary???  Answer, they wouldn't, and they are not exclusionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimmel doesn&#8217;t believe the stuff in her own law suit, in my opinion.  This is clearly a desperation move on her part to try to shake down Gallaudet for a few dollars before her retirement, in my opinion.</p>
<p>This is a &#8220;Hail Mary pass&#8221; on Kimmel&#8217;s part.  The only problem is that she has nobody to throw the ball to.  She&#8217;s all alone on the field.</p>
<p>Check out the <a href="http://www.gallyprotest.org/babbidge_committee_report_1965.pdf" rel="nofollow">Babbidge Committee&#8217;s report</a> from 1965:</p>
<p>From page xxix (PDF page 26):</p>
<p>QUOTE</p>
<p>Those who favor the employment of manual methods are less likely [than those who favor the oral method] to be purists.  In fact, in the course of hundreds of discussions by the staff, not a single person was encountered who did not agree with the desirability of oral instruction for young deaf children.</p>
<p>UNQUOTE</p>
<p>In other words, the Babbidge Committee consulted educators of the deaf all over the country, including *Deaf* educators of the deaf.  NOT A SINGLE PERSON said that speech and hearing training is undesirable for deaf students, but it&#8217;s simply a matter of putting it in proper perspective.</p>
<p>This means that Fernandes&#8217; and Kimmel&#8217;s claim (alleging that Deaf culture is exclusionary and tribalistic) is sheer and utter nonsense.  If culturally Deaf people were tribalistic, they wouldn&#8217;t be attending university in the first place!</p>
<p>Jordan NEVER used ASL and for many years he was made a into a secular diety.  Why would culturally Deaf people do that if they were exclusionary???  Answer, they wouldn&#8217;t, and they are not exclusionary.</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
		<link>http://blog.deafread.com/mishkazena/2007/06/06/kimmel-lawsuit-not-deaf-enough/#comment-25763</link>
		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is by far the most frivilous lawsuit I've seen yet.  I was like, ?????  

I think the most damaging thing is her tampering with grades.  She's not going to get her day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is by far the most frivilous lawsuit I&#8217;ve seen yet.  I was like, ?????  </p>
<p>I think the most damaging thing is her tampering with grades.  She&#8217;s not going to get her day.</p>
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