Comments on: It is Barbaric. It is Inhumane. It is Child Abuse. http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/ His Eugenic Language Philosophy Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:31:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Floridagirl http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-139 Floridagirl Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:15:32 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-139 (hearing parents want to hear) (hearing parents want to hear)

]]> By: Floridagirl http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-138 Floridagirl Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:10:10 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-138 I wonder that Cochlear Implant is extreme junk just as the computer, radio and so that has suddenly become garbage. Technology will change new material that will follow in time in the future. I was very disgusted when I saw a toddler using two cochlear implants on the left ear and the right ear in the Vlog. What is that; CI toddler looked like a robot. I haven’t see any babies with cochlear implants beginning to say “Mom” and “Dad” their language is compared to the common of hearing babies speaking “Mom” and Dad” as natural language. Did you find any information related to the topic of CI Babies using their voice to say “Mom” and “Dad”? Even the Vlogger and blogger don’t have information. The most common reason is that the hearing parents had desired to hear their deaf child speak “Mom” and “Dad”. In fact, Deaf people and hearing parents have differences in their feeling. I wonder that Cochlear Implant is extreme junk just as the computer, radio and so that has suddenly become garbage. Technology will change new material that will follow in time in the future.

I was very disgusted when I saw a toddler using two cochlear implants on the left ear and the right ear in the Vlog. What is that; CI toddler looked like a robot.

I haven’t see any babies with cochlear implants beginning to say “Mom” and “Dad” their language is compared to the common of hearing babies speaking “Mom” and Dad” as natural language. Did you find any information related to the topic of CI Babies using their voice to say “Mom” and “Dad”? Even the Vlogger and blogger don’t have information.

The most common reason is that the hearing parents had desired to hear their deaf child speak “Mom” and “Dad”. In fact, Deaf people and hearing parents have differences in their feeling.

]]> By: Todd http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-137 Todd Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:09:47 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-137 Interesting. Barry, could you please site the source where 70% of implants fail. I could not find that stat anywhere. It would add strength to the argument. Interesting. Barry, could you please site the source where 70% of implants fail. I could not find that stat anywhere. It would add strength to the argument.

]]> By: Ella http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-135 Ella Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:42:44 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-135 Barry, I like how you present your arguments. That could help wake up people to realizing that CIs are not "miracle cures" as the CI companies want them to believe. Unfortunately, because of the extreme "deficit thinking" that the "deafness" field is imposing on Deaf people and babies, the business of producing "better and better" hearing aids (cochlear implants included) will be very juicy economically and will not stop until there will be no longer people called "Deaf" (therefore Sign Language will go out of existence like many other languages under colonialism). The bigger question is related to audism. Is it morally and biologically OK to try and eradicate Deaf people and Sign Language through machines and identity-altering education? if so, why? What have Deaf people done so wrong to warrant this? Should our politics be aimed to "improve" the quality of our audistic aids or should they be aimed to reclaim our rightful place on earth AS WE ARE...independent of any machines, using our brains and other skills to create our niche on Earth and to contribute to the fabric of fascinating, humbling and loving diversity? Years and years of Deaf people doing just fine have proven that the machines for our ears are not that needed, are a waste of money and time, and the money and time are definitely better used for enhancing Deaf centric education and life as proven by thousands thousands thousands of Deaf people living and raising children just fine. If there are problems, they are not related to our being Deaf , BUT related to bad harmful misconceptions OTHERS have about us. Anyway, I repeat, Barry, good line of thinking. I look forward to more like this. Barry,
I like how you present your arguments. That could help wake up people to realizing that CIs are not “miracle cures” as the CI companies want them to believe.
Unfortunately, because of the extreme “deficit thinking” that the “deafness” field is imposing on Deaf people and babies, the business of producing “better and better” hearing aids (cochlear implants included) will be very juicy economically and will not stop until there will be no longer people called “Deaf” (therefore Sign Language will go out of existence like many other languages under colonialism).
The bigger question is related to audism. Is it morally and biologically OK to try and eradicate Deaf people and Sign Language through machines and identity-altering education? if so, why? What have Deaf people done so wrong to warrant this?
Should our politics be aimed to “improve” the quality of our audistic aids or should they be aimed to reclaim our rightful place on earth AS WE ARE…independent of any machines, using our brains and other skills to create our niche on Earth and to contribute to the fabric of fascinating, humbling and loving diversity? Years and years of Deaf people doing just fine have proven that the machines for our ears are not that needed, are a waste of money and time, and the money and time are definitely better used for enhancing Deaf centric education and life as proven by thousands thousands thousands of Deaf people living and raising children just fine. If there are problems, they are not related to our being Deaf , BUT related to bad harmful misconceptions OTHERS have about us.
Anyway, I repeat, Barry, good line of thinking. I look forward to more like this.

]]> By: Dianrez http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-132 Dianrez Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:30:43 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-132 The percentages of success and failure are troublesome and should be looked at harder by parents considering CIs for their babies. However, taking an extreme viewpoint that CI surgery is "child abuse" could turn off many people--not just anxious parents wanting their poor Deaf baby to hear again. It can be called "ignorant loving action" (thanks, Bill!) which is fairly common through the ages of parenting. An extreme example of this is the Kennedy family, whose father Joseph chose to have his mildly mentally retarded daughter undergo a prefrontal lobotomy (brain surgery). The daughter, Rosemary Kennedy, became unable to talk or write, where she formerly kept a diary and participated in parties. At the time prefrontal lobotomy was trendy surgery. Rosemary was a young adult, just learning to cope with her limitations while seeing others do more than she could. The doctors then were recommending the operation to control the young woman better, and Joseph agreed out of ignorance. Nowadays the operation is no longer done and there are thousands of mentally damaged people in institutions as a result of past surgery. CI surgery is less radical and less damaging, with a limited success rate. That, to me, is not good enough while we have hearing aids. The percentages of success and failure are troublesome and should be looked at harder by parents considering CIs for their babies.

However, taking an extreme viewpoint that CI surgery is “child abuse” could turn off many people–not just anxious parents wanting their poor Deaf baby to hear again.

It can be called “ignorant loving action” (thanks, Bill!) which is fairly common through the ages of parenting. An extreme example of this is the Kennedy family, whose father Joseph chose to have his mildly mentally retarded daughter undergo a prefrontal lobotomy (brain surgery). The daughter, Rosemary Kennedy, became unable to talk or write, where she formerly kept a diary and participated in parties.

At the time prefrontal lobotomy was trendy surgery. Rosemary was a young adult, just learning to cope with her limitations while seeing others do more than she could. The doctors then were recommending the operation to control the young woman better, and Joseph agreed out of ignorance. Nowadays the operation is no longer done and there are thousands of mentally damaged people in institutions as a result of past surgery.

CI surgery is less radical and less damaging, with a limited success rate. That, to me, is not good enough while we have hearing aids.

]]> By: Bill http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-130 Bill Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:59:54 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-130 You are understandable upset about CI implants in children, but don't you think it trivializes the acting out in anger towards children, and the sexual abuse that go into the word "Child Abuse"? You are comparing parents who do what they can, with what they know to make their childs life better out of love, to those who mercilessly hit, attack, or neglect their children with no regard for their safety or well being? Have you seen the difference between children who are loved and those who are mistreated? Please, continue to fight for education, but don't compare ignorant loving actions with hateful, evil malicious ones. You are understandable upset about CI implants in children, but don’t you think it trivializes the acting out in anger towards children, and the sexual abuse that go into the word “Child Abuse”?

You are comparing parents who do what they can, with what they know to make their childs life better out of love, to those who mercilessly hit, attack, or neglect their children with no regard for their safety or well being?

Have you seen the difference between children who are loved and those who are mistreated? Please, continue to fight for education, but don’t compare ignorant loving actions with hateful, evil malicious ones.

]]> By: anon http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-125 anon Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:10:08 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-125 Signing it up: Kathleen K. Tripp, Michigan Seriously, we need the facts, researches, studies of ci and infants. We need to find a way to present the evidences to protect ourselves. Kathleen Signing it up: Kathleen K. Tripp, Michigan

Seriously, we need the facts, researches, studies of ci and infants. We need to find a way to present the evidences to protect ourselves.

Kathleen

]]> By: Penny http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-123 Penny Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:23:36 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/agbellxinfo/2007/09/04/it-is-barbaric-it-is-inhumane-it-is-child-abuse/#comment-123 Well said, Barry. I have learned that AVT, AGB, and AGBAD are trying to abuse Deaf children by not allowing them to use ASL for communication and learning. They are violating First Amendment---Freedom of Speech. This is a very serious matter. Those groups are planting seeds to eradicate ASL. They are encouraging parents not to use ASL and force their children to have CI. ASL has already been recognized as true language. Yet they do not want Deaf chilren to use or learn ASL. Boy! we have been sleeping for a long time--too long and hope we will get more people to realize what they have been doing is wrong and we need to fight for those children and have a law to forbid children to get CI. We can do it but it is all up to us to fight for them. Readers, are you willing to join Barry to fight for Deaf children? Sign up below! I am signing it up now. Here it is: Penny S. Browning, California! Well said, Barry. I have learned that AVT, AGB, and AGBAD are trying to abuse Deaf children by not allowing them to use ASL for communication and learning. They are violating First Amendment—Freedom of Speech. This is a very serious matter. Those groups are planting seeds to eradicate ASL. They are encouraging parents not to use ASL and force their children to have CI. ASL has already been recognized as true language. Yet they do not want Deaf chilren to use or learn ASL. Boy! we have been sleeping for a long time–too long and hope we will get more people to realize what they have been doing is wrong and we need to fight for those children and have a law to forbid children to get CI. We can do it but it is all up to us to fight for them. Readers, are you willing to join Barry to fight for Deaf children? Sign up below! I am signing it up now. Here it is: Penny S. Browning, California!

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